Whose mindless comments with no worth are these?

Date: Jun 7, 2006

RE: Whose mindless comments with no worth are these?

Date: Jun 7, 2006

I take back everything i said earlier in this thread.im just a stupid Yankee.

Anonymous = Evil

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Anonymous Squirrel Ear Lobe hanging Fallace Earing wrote:

WTF is the point in having anonymous comments if they dont count to you! NO POINT AT ALL. If the comments were signed: the crack heads can be picked out from the meth heads. ya get me. Fallace Earing P.S. www.disclosureproject.org open your eyes boys

Hmmm ... let's see if I have this right. You wrote the comment above yet used the name Anonymous Squirrel ... Does that make you one of the crack heads or a meth head? Just can't figure it out ... (I'm a whiskey head you know, we get confused easily.)

OH NO! I forgot to sign this! Darn, I guess that means it doesn't count. Well, sorry about that, I haven't been able to think straight since last summer when I was abducted by aliens and they told me my music sucked. (That's really hard on a guy ya know. Changes your life forever. Nothing worse than that. Nope, there isn't. Very hard. Darn again, I'm starting to cry ... jeepers, I wish I was a crack head, or even a meth head, whiskey makes me cry, and makes me think I love everybody, and then I remember the aliens, and they said my music sucked and it hurts again, changed my life forever, very sad ... I gotta go, I can't take it any more.

Anonymous Just For You

Date: Jun 7, 2006

OK - everyone has made their point, and we're all thinking it over. The schoolyard arguments that this thread has degenerated into are pretty worthless.

Give it up, because we're close to the point where further pointless bickering will be deleted by big brother.

Just as a couple of soulless fools can poison the feedback and comments area of the site, this proves that a couple of people beating a dead horse on a message board can do some damage to it, too.

Date: Jun 7, 2006

HAHAHA....LOL....I LOVE IT.....HOPE THIS THREAD GOES ON FOREVER....HAHAHA!!!

Date: Jun 7, 2006

I'm no yankee you fool. I guess next you'll be copying my songs?

One flame for your total lack of originality you Coffee Anon imposter.

Anonymous = Real

Signed comments = BS Songramp Group hugs

If you want that, go there. Leave the musicians that want honest unbiased feedback alone.

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Thanks 820, for seeing this my way.

You won't regret it!

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Oops! I wasn't laughing at you 820. You got in ahead of me by 7 seconds.

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Last time I heard that I was getting married!!!

Date: Jun 7, 2006

820 wrote:

Well.....this turned into a long thread. Interesting points made on all sides. I will admit that I have been swayed from my earlier feelings on the matter. I was all about putting names on the posts and requiring logins. Now I wonder if the only "real" problems are the spammability of the ratings, which we could fix by limiting a listener to one rating/comment per day for each song. Technically, it wouldn't be perfect, but it would help. One of our slogans under development is "throw your songs to the wolves" (cool t-shirt available soon, by the way) and maybe that's the way it ought to be. Maybe some songs just suck? Maybe not being anonymous would hamper, even subconsiously, people's willingness to comment honestly or even comment at all? It just comes back to this for me - as mentioned by somebody earlier, the winners and finalists on this site generally have good comments and realistic feedback. The songs that don't make the cut sometimes really blow - and usually have savage comments left for them. I don't like the lack of civility displayed in some of the tripe that people leave in comments on songs, but I am trying to balance that with what is an acceptable amount of 'interference' by AW and what is right for the users of the site in my mind. We will certainly discuss this in the meeting tomorrow.....

Sure 'throw your song to the wolves' but why anonymous wolves.Its good to get critisisms aswell but some people go o.t.t. i have seen some quite harsh comments on some really good songs i've heard on here....thats not the work of wolves, thats the work of vultures.

Im not that fussed...u change it,u dont change it...whatever.

i do think it will be an improvement though.

1 rating/comment per user is definately a good idea.

JJones

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Coffee Anon wrote:

Leave the musicians that want honest unbiased feedback alone.

I wouldn't say it was unbiased.

many of the comments i have read have been from guys who think they know it all but really, they havent a clue..and probably havent posted one song on here.

dont get me wrong..there are some good genuine advice giving comment leavers,but i feel the majority are too stuck up there own arse (or too insecure) to leave a pleasant meaningful comment.

RodneyP

Date: Jun 7, 2006

1 rating/comment per user a day is definately NOT a good idea. 1 rating is all it takes to bring tears to someones eyes, even if I'm lying, I mean even if CA is lying and has his head up his oversized irregular.

What does it take? I dunno, like this person above me posted, most do not have a clue. It's the ones with the clues that bother me. Even Jeff Mutt Lange will tell you he doesn't know exactly what it takes, just knows it when he hears it.

That leaves me thinking that a lot of change has to come, but to whom is the more change given? Since it has been mostly about the sharks here and who's arm they ripped off, I'd like to offer another observation.

What about bonafide crap? Garbage that gets blown out someones nose, or rather the one that submitted it for my listening torture, should have to sign an eWaiver stating that they know it bites and we will bite back, hard if we choose.

Those morons that send in a song a DAY should be thrown out. period. You have an entry for a week, one tune...I don't give a rats ass if you have multiple personality disorder, one song per week. Jesus, I hear one and then another, and by the third I'm ready to puke! And it can be good stuff mind you, but the compression of being inside that persons head is a mother fletcher to me.

I say give me less reason to bite.

Java scripts have been used very handily to count words. You count them up and if they reach a pre-determined amount, your comment can pass. Who is that going to cripple? I see, on a dayly basis mind you, three or FOUR people who have something, ANYthing, to say. I would think with 20 songs being submitted a week the comments should be flowing like the red sea. But they don't.

And as best as I can tell, all it took was one comment by someone else, maybe me, maybe not, and one person who was offended by it to get us to this point.

I think the focus should fall into the mass submissions by one or many, the submitter who leaves no comments(

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Jack wrote:

the submitter who leaves no comments(

Date: Jun 7, 2006

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Jack wrote:

You have an entry for a week, one tune...I don't give a rats ass if you have multiple personality disorder, one song per week.

lol..Yeah good point.

as i said,im not really fussed if this site changes:its wkd as it is.and it looks like the majority wants it to stay the same.im outa this 1.

jjones

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Hey Jack

have you ever posted a song on here or do you just swing by and add comments.

and if you have-what name do you fall under?

peace

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Rodney-

That's just a really arrogant position to take. How in the heck would you know the background of the comment-leaver, based on the comment he or she leaves?

You seem to be inferring that individuals who are unentusiastic and unapologetic are also unknowing. I don't think you can fairly throw that grenade. I post songs here, I rate songs here, and sometimes I review songs in a word. Rubbish comes to mind as a personal favourite, although I can't take credit for that one. As soon as I read it I knew what the person who wrote it meant. I wished I could have been that succinct, and I totally agreed with the review and the sentiment. Rubbish! indeed. It said everything it needed to say, just like Brilliant!

How many of us would complain about Brilliant!? Hmmmm? Gee, I think zero. Brilliant!, what a great comment. That person must really be in the know, probably an industry insider that didn't really have time to type out a long response (insert your own imagination here, I know you would). But WOW, did you see what he said about my song?

Maybe the site could be set up (OK you delusional goofballs, I'm bending) to permit BOTH. Meaning that people who want to see who reviewed their work and in doing so attempt to influence the reviews via the implied retaliatory strike could require a login to listen, and people like me who don't could have their music "open to the public" and open to the flogging it deserves.

There could even be a warning:

By logging in to listen to this song you agree to the following terms of service:

     1. You will not offer your honest opinion (or else)

     2. You will treat every song as though it is great (most aren't, that's why the Beatles , Stones, Springsteen, Dylan, Elvis, Jones, Strait, Haggard, Brooks, Jackson, Cobain, Hendrix and so on are special. But please, artists are fragile so pretend everyone's work is just as good as the best of those previously mentioned)

    3. You will ignore totally the quality of the recording, including all aspects of production, writing, musicianship vocal ability et al. and rate only based on how you would "feel" if you were being rated.

                Please note: to avoid confusion and internal injury, the flame rating system has been disabled to prevent accidental selection of ratings less than five flames. A five flame rating will be submitted on your behalf, several times, at the conclusion of your session. The weekly winner will be determined via a random drawing.

Funny thing is, that's exactly what you all are asking for, you just don't know it. It already exists somewhere else. NOT being like that is AW's competetive advantage.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Man if you leave comments like 'rubbish' and 'brilliant' then you dont really have solid argument against me here.

Can you not expand and give details on why it is rubbish or brilliant and thoughts of things to change.

its a fair argument mate but i think leaving comments like rubbish is quite pathetic if you call yourself a musician.

just give some detailed advice-even if the song isn't all that well produced or arranged.

Dont let your Expanding Head get in the way.ya get me

See the way i see it.your position in this argument is far more arrogant!

RodneyP

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Im with Rodney on this one. One word comments are quite pathetic from so called musicians. Some helpful advice is nice,if needed.

cheers

Steve Grey

Date: Jun 8, 2006

rb wrote:

Hey Jack have you ever posted a song on here or do you just swing by and add comments. and if you have-what name do you fall under? peace

Jack! It was NOT ME who submitted that!

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Rubbish!

Of course you agree with your opinion you dimwit! But on one hand, you suggest that many of the folks here are not properly equipped to leave ratings, and on the other you suggest that they should leave more detailed ratings. You're arguing with yourself, mate, not with me. For your information, I leave both, it depends on the song.

I'd much rather receive "rubbish!" than nothing at all, or a pat on the back that I otherwise may not deserve. I can get cheap accolades anywhere. Besides, your point is absolutely correct that not everyone is equipped to dismantle the song and tell exactly what they like and dislike. I still want their gut reaction to it, even if its "vomit."

I've been turning non-artists on to this site. You know, consumers. People who buy music and tickets and who pay cover charges, and who generally express their opinions via their purchases. Two of those people I referred here ended up liking what they heard enough to google an artist to see if a CD or download was available. Are you now suggesting that the consumer's opinion is not worthwhile? That you don't want Joe Average to hear your "music" and express in his own words what he thinks? He needs your guidance on how to feedback to you?

That is ultimate in artistic arrogance!

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Let's not forget how difficult it is to get people to leave comments in the first place. From my end of the spectrum, if I receive a comment that simply says "rubbish," my focus is on the fact that a member listened to at least part of the song and considered it to be, well, rubbish; I wouldn't even waste my time focusing on the incidental that only one word was used. (Geez it hurts bad when I discover that everyone in this perfect world doesn't love my music. I know for a fact it's brilliant.)

The point is, I'll take 'rubbish' over a rating with no comment any day. 3 rubbishes and a brilliant means more people disliked it than liked it. 3 brilliants and a rubbish mean the opposite. Yeah, it would be nice to know their motivation for saying so, and of course I'd prefer it, but then I remember how hard it is to get people to leave comments and I am thankful for what I get. I gotta tell ya, I cannot for the life of me figure out what all the fuss is about. Take it or leave it. We all have a choice. 'Nuff said.

Don

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Coffee Anon wrote:

Rubbish! Of course you agree with your opinion you dimwit! But on one hand, you suggest that many of the folks here are not properly equipped to leave ratings, and on the other you suggest that they should leave more detailed ratings.

Are you ill? or just simply thicker than mud.i have suggested that most of the people who leave simple comments lack musical knowledge or imagination.I think you're too big headed about your own music to accept a good composition of someone elses.

Rubbish! Of course you agree with your opinion you dimwit!

whats ^that supposed to mean?

Duck out weirdo.u belong in the zoo.

RodneyP

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Don wrote:

3 rubbishes and a brilliant means more people disliked it than liked it. 3 brilliants and a rubbish mean the opposite. Yeah, it would be nice to know their motivation for saying so, and of course I'd prefer it, but then I remember how hard it is to get people to leave comments and I am thankful for what I get.

lol im back in this 1.looks like its heating up a bit.Well said Don! take the majority vote and accept it.im happy with that.cheers for putting it in simplified format hahaha.

JJones

Date: Jun 8, 2006

lol i was just messing with ya.it was me Jack.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Jack O.! This is my last comment, so you'll KNOW anything else by "rb" is NOT ME! I know you've submitted and I know your name. The imposter apparently doesn't.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

No, Rodney, to the contrary. not bigheaded at all. My songs are rated threes and fours, that may be high even. This isn't about me. You won't see my point because you don't want to. You're too busy looking at the trees. Which is fine. Look at the trees Rodney. Enjoy.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Oh god! i got you again Jack O'Brien.how many times are you gonna fall for it.im too witty for you.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Coffee Anon wrote:

No, Rodney, to the contrary. not bigheaded at all. My songs are rated threes and fours, that may be high even. This isn't about me. You won't see my point because you don't want to. You're too busy looking at the trees. Which is fine. Look at the trees Rodney. Enjoy.

Im in the projects bro.aint no trees down here.come and check for yourself if you want.ha.i do see your point and im objecting it and arguing against it.do you see my point though?

or are there far too many trees up in yo computer screen.

Date: Jun 8, 2006

Im refering to the person using my name. LOL